List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II

[Salma Amer]

Henry VIII, King of England (b. 1491-1536) m a) Catherine of Aragon (b.1485-.1516) ,b) Eleanor of Austria (b.1498-1558)

A) Mary I, Queen of England (b. 1516-1568) married James V and Anna (b. 1512-1562) in 1532 with issues​

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James VI and II (b.1533-.?) m Eleanor de France (b. 1534-.?) in 1549 with issues ​

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James, Prince of Wales (b. 1550-?) m Anne of Austria (b.1549-.?) in 1565 with issues ​

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Henry, Duke of Gloucester (b.1553-.?) m Mary of Somerset, Countess Arnold (b.1557-.?) in 1572 with issues ​

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Edward, Duke of Richmond and Mar (b.1558-.?) m Mary Courtenay (b. 1560-?) (4) in 1575 with issues ​

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Mary (b.1562-.?) m Johann Wilhelm, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (b.1564-.?) with issues ​

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Elizabeth (b.1566-.?) m ​

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Eleanor (b.1568-1570)​

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Henry, Duke of York and Albany (b.1535-.?) m Eleanor Gray (b.1537-.?) with issues ​

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Henry James, Earl of Cambridge (b.1553-.?) m ​

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Mary Catherine (b.1556-.?) m ​

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Charles, Duke of Somerset and Ross (b.1539-.1556) m Mary Fitzalan, Countess Arnold (b. 1540-1557) with issues ​

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Mary, Countess of Arnold (b.1557-.?) m Henry, Duke of Gloucester (b.1553-.?) with issues ​

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Catherine (b.1543-.?) m Charles I, King of Portugal (b. 1545-1584) with issues ​

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Charles II of Spain (b. 1562-.?) m Margaret of Austria (b.1567-.?) in 1582 with issues​

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Maria Isabella (b.1564-.?) m Charles III, Duke of Burgundy (b..1562-.?) with issues ​

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Philip, Viceroy of Naples (b.1568-.?) m Anna de Medici (b. 1569-?) with issues ​

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Catherine Joanna (b. 1572-.?) m Carlo Emanuele, Duke of Savoy (b.1563-.?) ( 3 )with issues ​

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Eleanor (b.1548-.?) m Frederick II, King of Denmark (b. 1533-.?) in 1565 with issues ​

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Elizabeth (b.1566-.?) m Christian I, Elector of Saxony (b.1560-.?) with issues ​

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Anne (b.1568-.?) m Henry Julius, Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg (b.1564-.?) with issues ​

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Christian IV, King of Denmark (b. 1572-.?) m Anne Catherine of Brandenburg (b.1575-.?) with issues ​

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Mary (b.1575-.?) m John Adolf, Duke of Holstein-Gottorp (b.1575-.?) with issues​

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Frederick (b.1578-.?) m​

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Eleanor (b.1581-.?) m ​

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B) Elizabeth (b.1518-.?) m Francis III, Duke of Brittany (b.1518-.1536) with issues​

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Eleanor (b.1534-.?) m James VI and II (b.1533-.?) in 1549 with issues ​

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Francis II, King of France (b. 1536-.?) m a) Margaret of Austria (b.1536-.?) With issues ​

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Stillborn son​

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Francis III, King of France (b. 1557-.?) m Agnes of Austria-Burgundy (b.1558-.?) in 1576 with issues​

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John Duke of Berry (b.1559-.?) m Catherine of Navarre (b.1559-?) in 1575 with issues​

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Margaret (b.1562-.?) m Henry III, Duke of Lorraine and Bar (b. 1564-.?) in 1579 with issues​

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Stillborn son​

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B) Henry, Prince of Wales (b. 1520-1528) Betrothed to Margaret of France (b.1523-.?)​

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B) Edward, Duke of York (b.1521-.1528) ​

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B)Edmund, Duke of Somerset (b.1523-.1528)​

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B) Margaret (b.1525-.?) m Wilhelm, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (b.1516-.?) with issues ​

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Karl Friedrich, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (b.1544-.?) m Anna of Saxony *(b. 1548-?) with issues ​

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Johann Wilhelm, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (b.1564-.?) m Mary of England and Scotland (b.1562-.?) in 1579 with issues ​

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Maria Eleanor (b. 1546-?) m Johann Georg, Duke of Saxony *(b. 1546-.?) in 1562 with issues with issues ​

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Johann Georg, Duke of Saxony (b. 1564-.?) m Maria Anna of bavaria (b.1572-.?) with issues ​

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Maria Anna (b.1568-.?) m Maximilian I, Elector of Bavaria (b. 1568-?) with issues ​

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Johann Wilhelm (b. 1550-.?), Bishop of Münster ​

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Eleanor Sibylla (b.1553-.?) m Albert Frederick, Duke of Prussia (b.1553-.?) in 1573 with ​

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Anna Margaret (b.1557-?) m Philipp Ludwig, Count Palatine of Neuburg (b.1547-.?) in 1574 with issues​

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B) Charles I, King of England (b. 1526-1540) m Margaret of France (b.1523-?) Without issues​

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B) Anne (b. 1529-.?) m Ferdinand of Austria, Duke of Burgundy (b. 1529-.?) in 1545 with issues​

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Philip V, Duke of Burgundy (b.1546-.?) m Renata of Lorraine (b.1544-?) in 1561 with issues ​

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Charles III, Duke of Burgundy (b.1562-.?) m Maria Isabella of Spain (b.1564-. ?) with issues​

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Anna (b.1564-.?)​

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Isabella Eleanor (b. 1548-?) m Charles III, Duke of Lorraine (b.1543-.?) in 1563 with issues ​

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Henry III, Duke of Lorraine and Bar (b. 1564-.?) m Margaret de France (b.1562-.?) with issues​

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Christina (b. 1566-?)​

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Maria Antonia (b.1568-.?)​

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François (b.1572-.?)​

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Marie (b.1574-.?)​

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Maria Christina (b. 1550-?) m Theodor, Duke of Bavaria ** (b. 1545-.?) in 1566 with issues ​

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Maximilian I, Elector of Bavaria (b. 1568-?) m Maria Anna of Saxony (b.1568-.?)​

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Maria Anna (b.1572-.?) m Johann Georg, Duke of Saxony (b. 1564-.?) with issues ​

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Christine (b.1575-.?) m​

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Ferdinand (b. 1580-.?), Elector of Cologne​

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Anne (b.1554-.?) m Ferdinand II, Holy Roman Emperor and King of Bohemia and Hungary (b. 1551-?) with issues ​

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Ferdinand II, Holy Roman Emperor and King of Bohemia and Hungary (b. 1570-?)​

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Maria (b.1572-.?)​

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Anna (b.1575-.?)​

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Catherine (b.1580-.?)​

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Eleanor (b.1584-.?)​

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Agnes (b.1558-.?) m Francis III, King of France (b. 1557-.?) with issues ​

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B) Stillborn son​

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*Children of Severinus, Duke of Saxony and Anna of Austria​

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** Son of the Duke of Bavaria and Anne of Lorraine (b.1522-.?)​

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(3) Son of Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Savoy and Eleanor d'Este (b.1539-.?)​

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(4) Only daughter of Edward Courtenay and Catherine Grey ​

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

Inspired by this thread

James I, King of England & Ireland [1603-1625], King of Scots [as James VI, 1567-1625] (1566-1625) m: 1589 Anna of Denmark (1574-1619)

Henry Frideric, Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall & Rothesay (1594-1612)​

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Elizabeth II, Queen of England & Ireland [from 1625], Queen of Scots [as Elizabeth I, from 1625] (b.1596) m: 1613 Friedrich I, King of Bohemia [1619-1620], Elector Palatine of the Rhine [as Friedrich V, 1610-1623] (1596-1632)​

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Henry, Prince of Wales (b.1614) m: 1630 Cäcilie Renata of Austria[1] (b.1611)​

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Elizabeth (b.1617) m: 1633 Christian, Prince-Elect of Denmark[2] (b.1603)​

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Charles Lewis, Duke of York (b.1618) m: 1633 Magdalene Sibylle of Saxony (b.1617)​

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Robert, Duke of Cumberland (b.1619) m: @Valena​

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Maurice, Duke of Gloucester (b.1621) m: ?​

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Luise Hollandine (b.1622) m: 1640 Friedrich Wilhelm, Elector of Brandenburg[3] (b.1620)​

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Ludwig (1623-1624)​

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Edward, Duke of Cambridge (b.1624) m: 1648 Anne, 3e Duchess of Hamilton (b.1632)​

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Anne[4] (b.1626) m: 1645 Willem II, Prince of Orange (b.1626)​

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James[5], Duke of Richmond (b.1627)​

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Charlotte (1628-1631)​

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Sophia[6] (b.1630) m: ?​

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Margaret (1598-1600)​

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Charles, Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall & Rothesay (1600-1623[7])​

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Robert, Duke of Kintyre & Lorne (1602-1602)​

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Mary (1605-1607)​

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Sophia (1606)​

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[1] While England might not want this match, per D.R. Watson’s bio of Charles I, it was only James I’s death that killed the negotiations. OTL Heinrich was a landless exiled prince and grandson of a king, son of a traitor, TTL, he’s still the son of a traitor but he’s sure as Hell neither landless or exiled and he’s the heir to the throne of England.
[2] I don’t see her settling for less than a king for her eldest daughter, however, Protestant kings are a bit thin on the ground
[3] This marriage was wanted by both sides OTL, but his mother, Elisabeth Charlotte of the Palatinate, waded in and forced him to marry Luise Henriëtte of Orange instead because of her dowry
[4] No papist sister-in-law to name her after
[5] Naming a son after the Catholic king of Spain (Philipp) in England likely wouldn’t go over well. Also, Esmé, 1e Duke of Richmond died in 1624 with no children causing the title to revert to the crown
[6] Elizabeth’s last child TTL
[7] Drowned en route to Spain

 

[Nova_Philomena]

Prompt: Mary I of England knows she will never have children after her phantom Pregnancies, so she forces Elizabeth I of England to marry a surviving Ferdinand I, Duke of Burgundy (Son of Charles V and Isabella of Portugal)

Elizabeth I of England (b. 1532 d. 1603) m. Ferdinand I, Duke of Burgundy (b. 1529 d. 1600)

1. Ferdinand II of England (b. 1557 d. 1613) [1] m. Infanta Isabel Clara Eugenia of Spain (b. 1566 d. 1633)
2. Elizabeth of England (b. 1558 d. 1631) m. Charles IX of France (b. 1550 d. 1574) [2]
3. Charles Tudor, Duke of York (b. 1560 d. 1624) m. Catherine of Lorraine (b. 1573 d. 1648)
4. Joanna of England (b. 1563 d. 1614) m. James VI of Scotland (b. 1566 d. 1625)

[1] Also Duke of Burgundy
[2] Elisabeth of Austria dies in infancy, and Maria of Spain refuses to give up her eldest daughter, Anna, to the King of France.

 

[Salma Amer]

Maria Theresa, Queen of Spain

Maria Theresa, Queen of Spain (b. 1638- .) m Sigismund, Archduke of Austria (b.1627-.) in 1653

Philip V of Spain (b.1655-.?) m Eleonore of Austria,(b.1653-.?) in 1670 with issues​

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Charles II of Spain (b. 1672-.?) m Violante Beatrice of Bavaria (b.1673-.?) in 1689 with issues​

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Francis Ferdinand, Viceroy of Naples (b.1675-?) m ​

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Stillborn daughter​

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Maria Theresa (b.1681-.?)​

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Juan (b.1683-1687)​

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Francis Ferdinand, ruler of the Netherlands (b.1658-.?) m Mary of Modena (b.1568-.?)​

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John Francis (b.1677-.?) m Maria Eleanor of of Brandenburg **(b.1681-.?) in 1698 with issues​

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Maria Theresa (b.1682-.?)​

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Maria Beatrice (b.1684-?)​

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Maria Isabella (b.1560-.?) m Charles VI, Holy Roman Emperor *(b. 1561 -.?)​

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Leopold II, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1676-.?) m Wilhelmine Amalie of Brunswick (b.1673-.?) in 1693 with issues​

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Leopald Joseph, Archduke of Austria (b.1694-.?)​

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Archduke Karl of Austria (b.1697-.?)​

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Maria Josefa (b.1699-?)​

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Maria Amalia (b.1701-.?)​

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Maria Theresa (b.1704-.?) ​

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Maria Theresa (b.1678-.1682)​

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Maria Anna (b.1681-.?)​

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Maria Josefa (b.1685-?)​

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Maria Leopaldine (b.1689-?)​

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*Son of Leopold I and Marguerite Louise d'Orléans ​

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** Daughter of Karl, Elector of Brandenburg and Maria Anna Josepha of Austria​

 

[isabella]

Prompt: Mary I of England knows she will never have children after her phantom Pregnancies, so she forces Elizabeth I of England to marry a surviving Ferdinand I, Duke of Burgundy (Son of Charles V and Isabella of Portugal)

Elizabeth I of England (b. 1532 d. 1603) m. Ferdinand I, Duke of Burgundy (b. 1529 d. 1600)

1. Ferdinand II of England (b. 1557 d. 1613) [1] m. Infanta Isabel Clara Eugenia of Spain (b. 1566 d. 1633)
2. Elizabeth of England (b. 1558 d. 1631) m. Charles IX of France (b. 1550 d. 1574) [2]
3. Charles Tudor, Duke of York (b. 1560 d. 1624) m. Catherine of Lorraine (b. 1573 d. 1648)
4. Joanna of England (b. 1563 d. 1614) m. James VI of Scotland (b. 1566 d. 1625)

[1] Also Duke of Burgundy
[2] Elisabeth of Austria dies in infancy, and Maria of Spain refuses to give up her eldest daughter, Anna, to the King of France.

I can not see Mary marrying Philip if he do not bring a possible union with the Netherlands

 

[Valena]

Robert, Duke of Cumberland (b.1619) m: @Valena

IMO m. should be Mlle Marguerite de Rohan. No idea about Maurice, though that depends on what happens to Palatinate ITTL.

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

IMO m. should be Mlle Marguerite de Rohan. No idea about Maurice, though that depends on what happens to Palatinate ITTL.

I thought about a marriage to Rohan, but I wasn't sure if it would be feasible from a foreign relations POV

 

[Valena]

I thought about a marriage to Rohan, but I wasn't sure if it would be feasible from a foreign relations POV

Austrian marriage of a heir needs to be compensated with something, IMO.

 

[kasumigenx]

Isabel de Warenne b.1137 m. William of Boulogne d. 1162(a) Humphrey of Anjou(b)

1a. Alice de Warrene, Countess of Boulogne b. 1160 m. Henry of Swabia b. 1165, Count of Burgundy[1]

2a. Marie de Warrene b. 1161 m. William the Lion of Scotland

3b. William, Earl of Surrey b. 1166 – same as OTL

4b. Ela b. 1170 – Same as OTL

5b. Isabel b.? – Same as OTL

6b. Matilda b.? – Same as OTL

1.Frederick, Duke of Swabia survives childhood and marries Eleanor of England, the OTL Queen of Castile.

 

[Salma Amer]

Philippe, Duke of Anjou, second son of Louis XV, lives

Philippe, Duke of Anjou (b.1730-.?) m Maria Anna Josepha of Bavaria (b.1734-..?) in 1749​

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Louis Charles, Duke of Anjou (b.1751-.?) m ​

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Henriette Anne (b.1753-.?) m ​

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Mary Elizabeth (b.1756-.?) m ​

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Margaret Louise (b.1762-.?) m ​

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Victoire (b.1762-.1765)​

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[Gevher]

Carlos V (1500-1558) m.¹ Isabel of Portugal (1503-1539) in 1526 | m.² Marguerite of France (1523-1574) in 1542

1¹) Felipe II of Spain (1527-)
2¹) Infanta María (1528-
3¹) Infanta Juana (1535-)
4²) Charles, Duke of Burgundy (1544-)
5²) Infanta Claudia (1546-)
6²) Francesco, Duke of Milan (1548-

 

[Andrewtsal]

William, Duke of Gloucester has no health issues

• William IV, King of Great Britain (b. 1689, d. 1744) m. Ulrika Eleonora, Princess of Sweden (b. 1688, d. 1741)
  • George, Prince of Wales (b. 1708, d. 1740) m. Charlotte Amalie, Princess of Denmark (b. 1706, d. 1782)
  • Henry IX, King of Great Britain (b. 1711, d. 1781) m. Anne of Hanover (b. 1709, d. 1769)
  • Anne, Princess Royal (b. 1713, d. 1775) m. William IV, Prince of Orange (b. 1711, d. 1751)
  • Charles, Duke of Gloucester (b. 1715, d. 1757) m. Elizabeth Percy, Baroness Percy (b. 1716, d. 1776)

 

[kasumigenx]

Christina of Sweden marries Charles IV of Lorraine who was deposed from Lorraine

Christina of Sweden m. Charles IV, Duke of Lorraine[1](a)
1a. Charles X of Sweden b. 1653 m. ?

2a. Maria of Sweden b. 1656 m. Leopold I of HRE

1. Their marriage is bigamous in the Catholic Church but recognized by the Church of Sweden and was dissolved when Christina abdicated in 1660 in favor of her son, during their marriage, Charles IV tried to take over Denmark which is his ancestral claim.

 

[kasumigenx]

Charles VIII d. 1498 m. Joanna of Portugal d. 1490(a) Anne of Brittany (b)

1a. Maria I of Portugal, Duchess of Guyenne[1] b. 1485 d. 1523 m. Juan, Prince of Asturias d. 1497(a) Manuel I of Portugal d. 1516(b) Henry VIII of England[2](c)

2b. Charles Orlando b. 1492 d. 1495

1.She is granted of her ancestral inheritance of Guyenne after the Death of her father Charles VIII, Guyenne is an inheritance from John of Gaunt which would confirm the Lancastrian ancestry of Maria I of Portugal which will be kept by the Avis of Portugal until the end of their dynasty.

2. He annuls his marriage with Catherine of Aragon after Catherine gave birth to two daughters once he had a chance to marry Maria but the marriage with Maria is just like Catherine's marriage which produces only daughters.

 

[ordinarylittleme]

Switch of death dates between Henry VII and Elizabeth of York. As Isabella of Castile in 1503 is still alive she pays the dowry and gets a dispensation for her daughter.

Henry VIII of England (1491-1547) m. 1505 Katherine of Aragon (1485-1536), b) 1538 Maria of Portugal (1521-1577)
1a) Henry (1507-1537) m. Catherine of Austria (1507-1578)
2a) Margaret (1510-1560) m. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-1558)
3a) Katherine (1513-1575) m. James V of Scotland (1512-1542)
4a) Mary (1516-1558) m. Francis III, Duke of Brittany (1518-1536)
5b) Edward (1539-1596) m. a) Katherine Grey (1540-1568), b) Susan Bertie (1554-1596)
6b) Edmund (1541-1599) m. Margaret Stanley (1540-1596)

 

[Salma Amer]

Switch of death dates between Henry VII and Elizabeth of York. As Isabella of Castile in 1503 is still alive she pays the dowry and gets a dispensation for her daughter.

Henry VIII of England (1491-1547) m. 1505 Katherine of Aragon (1485-1536), b) 1538 Maria of Portugal (1521-1577)
1a) Henry (1507-1537) m. Catherine of Austria (1507-1578)
2a) Margaret (1510-1560) m. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-1558)
3a) Katherine (1513-1575) m. James V of Scotland (1512-1542)
4a) Mary (1516-1558) m. Francis III, Duke of Brittany (1518-1536)
5b) Edward (1539-1596) m. a) Katherine Grey (1540-1568), b) Susan Bertie (1554-1596)
6b) Edmund (1541-1599) m. Margaret Stanley (1540-1596)

Children's names are arranged incorrectly. the eldest daughter will be Elizabeth, for (Isabella I, Queen of Castile and Elizabeth of York), not Margaret, because Henry's relationship with his sister Margaret was not the best, it was the closest To Mary Tudor, and Margaret was closer to Arthur .

Maria of Portugal will not be born because with England not being in her marriage options, Eleanor of Austria will marry early to Antoine, Duke of Lorraine, or Sigomond, King of Poland, as her grandfather wanted her to marry.

 

[kasumigenx]

Edward I marries Berengaria of Castile, not Eleanor of Castile and Henry of Almain marries Eleanor of Castile as part of the marriage deal between Edward I and Berengaria

Berengaria of Castile b. 1253 m. Edward I of England
1a. Berengaria of England b. 1269-
2a. Joan of England b. 1272-
3a. Henry b. 1273 d. 1284
4a. Margaret b. 1275-
5a. Mary b. 1278-
6a. Elizabeth b. 1282-
7a. Edward II b. 1284-

Henry of Almain, Duke of Aquitaine b. 1235 d. 1271 m. Eleanor of Castile(a)
1a. Thomas, Duke of Aquitaine and Count of Pointheu b. 1268-
2a. Eleanor b. 1269
3a. Joanna b. 1272

 

[isabella]

Switch of death dates between Henry VII and Elizabeth of York. As Isabella of Castile in 1503 is still alive she pays the dowry and gets a dispensation for her daughter.

Henry VIII of England (1491-1547) m. 1505 Katherine of Aragon (1485-1536), b) 1538 Maria of Portugal (1521-1577)
1a) Henry (1507-1537) m. Catherine of Austria (1507-1578)
2a) Margaret (1510-1560) m. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-1558)
3a) Katherine (1513-1575) m. James V of Scotland (1512-1542)
4a) Mary (1516-1558) m. Francis III, Duke of Brittany (1518-1536)
5b) Edward (1539-1596) m. a) Katherine Grey (1540-1568), b) Susan Bertie (1554-1596)
6b) Edmund (1541-1599) m. Margaret Stanley (1540-1596)

Having Henry to die instead of Elizabeth would not change anything for Catherine of Aragon AND Isabella would still die before Henry VIII’s 15th birthday who was the date wanted by theCatholic Monarchs for the wedding between Henry jr and Catherine. And paying the remaining of Catherine‘s dowry only at the moment of her second marriage was also a decision of her own parents (who had also agreed to pay Catherine’s expenses until her second wedding).
The eldest girl will be an Elizabeth (after BOTH grandmothers) and I do not expect to see any Margaret among them.
Maria of Viseu likewise will NOT exist here as Eleanor, without an English match, will be engaged elsewhere in childhood and in any case will not marry Manuel. Also I doubt who Charles V would marry Henry VIII‘s daughter as here his betrothal with Mary Tudor would have no reason to being broken

 

[Salma Amer]

( ASB) Frederick the Great marries Maria Theresa

Charles VI, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1685-.1740) m Elisabeth Christine of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel (b.1691-.1750) in 1708 with issues

Archduke Leopold Johann of Austria (.1716)​

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Maria Theresa ,Queen of Bohemia and Hungary (b. 1717-.1780) m Frederick IV, Holy Roman Emperor, Elector of Brandenburg (b.1712-.1786) in 1732​

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Joseph II, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1740-.) m Maria Josepha of Bavaria (b.1739-.?) with issues ​

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Frederick, King of Prussia (b. 1742-.?) m Maria Kunigunde of Saxony (b.1740-.?) with issues ​

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Maria Elisabeth (b.1744-.?) m Karl Friedrich Elector Palatine* (b. 1743-.?) with issues ​

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Leopold (b.1747-.?) m Maria Beatrice d'Este (b. 1750-?) in 1770 with issues​

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Maria Christina (b.1750-?) m Carlo II, King of Naples (b. 1748-.?) with issues ​

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Maria Wilhelmina (b. 1752-?) m Louis XVI, King of France (b. 1754-.?) with issues ​

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Maria Anna (b.1718-.?) m Charles III, King of Spain (b. 1716-.?) ​

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Philip VI of Spain (b. 1741-.?) m Isabella of Parma (b.1741-.?) with issues ​

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Maria Theresa (b.1743-.1745)​

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Carlo II, King of Naples (b. 1748-.?)m Maria Christina (b.1750-?) with issues ​

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Maria Anna (b.1752-.?) m Ferdinand I, Duke of Parma (b.1751-.?) with issues ​

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Maria Amalia (b. 1724-.1730)​

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* Son of Charles Theodore, Elector Palatine